Jimmy Carter: still bad for America after all these years
One of our favorite bloggers, Patrick Frey, aka Patterico, says,
NSAâ??s controversial surveillance program has been ruled unconstitutional by Judge Anna Diggs Taylor, an ideologue Carter-appointed judge who has a documented history of bending the rules to obtain the leftist result.
Patterico notes that Judge Taylor stayed true to form in this case,
…but a limited sampling of reaction from intelligent lawyers across the blogosphere suggests that she did indeed twist the law, as I predicted she would.
Patterico also notes that many intellectually honest legal scholars disagree on the NSA program. However, the reasoning behind the decision appears so weak that it is uniting both sides.
It should be noted that some of the above commenters have expressed strong doubts about the programâ??s legality (like Volokh) or conclusive opinions that it is illegal (like Kerr) â?? yet they are still utterly critical of the courtâ??s reasoning, or lack thereof. The fact that intellectually honest people agree with the result but are so critical of the reasoning is damning indeed.
I’m not a lawyer, but it seems insane to me that we are tying our hands in such a manner, especially in light of what we just learned about the London terror plot, and the critical role intelligence and surveillance played in monitoring, tracking and preventing that massive attack.
From America’s newsman, Brit Hume on the grapevine,
Jimmy Carter Slams Israel’s Attack on Lebanon
Jimmy Carter says he’s concerned that Arab hatred of the United States will only continue to grow given the Bush administration’s support for what he calls Israel’s “unjustified attack” on Lebanese civilians.
Carter tells Germany’s Der Spiegel: “I don’t think Israel has any legal or moral justification for their massive bombing of the entire nation of Lebanon.”
He adds: “What happened is that Israel is holding almost 10,000 prisoners, so when the militants in Lebanon or in Gaza take one or two soldiers, Israel looks upon this as a justification for an attack on the civilian population of Lebanon and Gaza.”
Jimmy Carter has a long history of cozying up to terrorists and tyrants. He called the 20th century’s greatest terrorist, Yassar Arafat,
“a powerful human symbol and forceful advocate”
In a New York Times column titled “America Can Persuade Israel to Make a Just Peace”, Carter plainly took Arafat’s side and attacked Ariel Sharon. He was essentially arguing that the United States should cut off funding to Israel because they had the nerve to defend themselves.
We have said it before, and we’ll say it again, Jimmy Carter’s record demonstrates that he is a champion of human rights abusers, not human rights.
And to think, like his good friend Yassar Arafat, he too has a Nobel Peace Prize on his mantle.
Politics, War On Terror | Kevin | 
August 17, 2006 9:25 pm
Jimmy Carter has always cozied up to dictators, and has always had a remarkable ability to lie with a straight face.
The man would rather climb a tree to tell you a lie as stand on the ground and tell the truth.
Kevin, information has come out that these supposed plotters hadn’t even obtained airline tickets or passports, thereby contradicting the notion that this was an imminent threat.
Brit Hume is not America’s newsman. He’s a propagandist and shill for state sponsored FOX News. America’s real newsmen and newswomen are on the blogs.
Jimmy Carter is a decent man who speaks the truth about Israel’s excessive bombing of Lebanon. Human rights abuses are occurring under this administration, and Carter certainly hasn’t cozied up to them.
Lastly, I keep breaking my promise to stop posting here. Sorry.
Another conspiracy theory from john. Big surprise. Yes John, Bush and Rove are probably behind it. No doubt. Nothing to see here. The War on Terror is a made up boggyman of the Karl Rove and the “Neo Cons” who want to control the world’s oil supply…
John, can you provide one clear example demonstrating how Britt Hume is a “propagandist” and “shill?” Be specific.
John, Can you please explain how Israel’s “bombing” of military targets Hezbollah was embedding themselves in was “excesive?” How was it “excessive?” What specfic military targets should they not have bombed? How about Hezbollah the terrorist organization that intentionally fired katayushas at Israel’s civilian population? Anything “excessive” about that John? Can you name even one War Crime comitted by Israel? I can name at least 5 committed by Hezbollah, Iran and Syrian. Can you name one committed by Israel. Be specific and cite your source.
Finally, you have failed to rebut even one claim Kevin advanced that clearly demonstrates carter’s cozying up to dictators such as Castro, Chavez, and Arafat. Perhaps you will be more specific and explain how Carter’s relationship with these known dictators/terrorists shouldn’t be described as “cozy” How would you describe Carter’s words about Arafat given what we know about that Hitler in a Turbin who is 6 feet under rotting in hell?
Don’t be sorry about posting here John. It’s good target practice. Just answer questions posed to you instead of always dodging them and making absurd statements or absurd cosnpiracy theories. Can you name one theory of your over the past 6 months that has come true John?
Feel free to embed your answers to my questions but cutting and pasting.
Gregg
Conspiracy theory? MSNBC reported this information, Gregg.
“In contrast to previous reports, one senior British official suggested an attack was not imminent, saying the suspects had not yet purchased any airline tickets. In fact, some did not even have passports.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14320452/
Is that senior British official a conspiracy theorist?
As for Brit Hume, please, Gregg. If you’re going to deny that Brit and FOX News aren’t overtly sympathetic to this administration, then you’re simply not being fair. But Brit used to have journalistic integrity before the administration cracked down on him after 9/11. This 4-part series on Israeli spying in the US was shuttered after the first part aired, but I credit Hume and Cameron for having done the piece.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiAC6FEN15o
Look at pictures of Beirut, understand that Lebanese civilians have died, and then try to tell me that excessive force wasn’t used. Of course, Hezbollah’s actions were excessive as well. Innocent lives on both sides have been destroyed, and war crimes have been committed by both sides, Gregg. Qana and the UN post - there are your two examples, but I’m sure you’ll parrot the Israeli line and say these were unintentional and unfortunate. I’ve already posted information from a former NSA offical that claimed Israel was using banned chemical and biological weapons against the Lebanese, but if you don’t like the things I post you deem the source not credible and you deem me a moonbat conspiracy theorist. I do get a chuckle out of the creative new labels assigned to me however, so please keep them coming.
Do I agree with Jimmy Carter’s assessment of Arafat? No. The Bush family has cozy ties to the Saudi royal family, but this is too inconvenient for you to mention. Jimmy Carter has been an advocate for human rights since he left office. This is why I support him. I don’t know why you have an eternal hatred of him.
Listen, Gregg, I’ll say it again. You’re too emotionally, reputationally and financially (congrats by the way on the success of your book) invested in conservatism and this administration to have an objective viewpoint, and that’s fine. I don’t mean this as an insult at all. It’s just the reality.
Let’s simply agree to disagree at this point. My information on what you call conspiracy theories has been obtained through, how should I put this, more “evolved” sources. But I keep this very private, so that is the last I am willing to discuss of it.
My best.
Dear Gregg,
It is so nice to read your how you approach people with different views. It opens people up to a real discussion, rather than this back and forth back-biting. This is very much better.
Maybe now John will feel more welcome here, as long as he remembers to answers some of the questions? That would be good. In this way, we could have a dialouge!
I’m so tired of the fighting amongst ourselves. We really do have an enemy, whether perceived or not, that must be dealt with. I only pray we could all come to terms (or understand the other person’s point of view) before it’s absolutely necessary or too late.
Great job, Gregg. I hope to read your answers soon, John. I really am interested. Wouldn’t it be better to understand that we disagree with other, but do it in a respectful way? Awesome!
Hoorah for Jimmy as he shows his his ignorance and his bias against Israel once again. Israel is the most moral nation on the earth when it comes to the civilian population. They have the best track record in the world when it comes to hitting the terrorist and sparing the civilian population. For instance they will fire into apartments where the terrorists are and above and below the terrorists are civilians and side by side the terroists are civilians! The first missle goes in and kills the terrorists and a second missile goes in extinguishing the fires so that innocent bystanders will not be hurt. No other country in the world has that capabilty and compassion sparing the innocent people. Jimmy Carter is dead wrong about Israel and always has been. In qana the propaganda machine was rolling when they reported Israel killed 56 civilians! Come to find out not only was that a lie but the terrorist planted bodies at the seen that were already dead probably killed by hezbollah to further the satanic agenda. I remeber when the terroists in Iran took control of our embassy and held our people hostage all the time Carter was in office. The terroists had no respect for the Peanut farmer. They knew he had a backbone made out of a string of weenies. Notice just as soon as Mr. Reagan entered office they freed the hostages. Why they knew President Reagan had a backbone of a sawlog and he would had destroyed Iran. The terroists love Jimmy Carter and liberals like Mr. Kerry because they know when this crowd is in office they can further there agenda. Can you believe Jimmy Carters nerve saying that Israels attack was unjustified. hogwash I think Jimmy must be a practicing muslim because he is certainly furthering there agenda! It is idiotic to talk about muslims hating America even more. They have always hated America and Israel and anyway who wants them on our side. With friends like that you certainly wont need any enemies! again as far as im concerned Johns post is another conspiricy theory pipe dream. Greggs answer to him is well sufficent. When will John ever face facts and quote a fact instead of the conspiracy mumbo jumbo that stranger than science fiction! signed Forrest
I couldn’t agree more, Rosemary. It’s way past time that Americans (and the global population in general) put aside their differences and come together as one. What seems like a desperate and interminable time of destitution on earth right now is simply the playing out of long built up negative energy. What people need to understand and what I can promise at this time is that WWIII will NEVER occur, nuclear attacks on earth will NEVER succeed, and the avian flu will NEVER reach pandemic status. The time when the negative energy on earth would have allowed such horrible events to materialize has passed. A lot of this probably doesn’t resonate or sounds hopelessly optimistic, and I understand that reaction. However, if you could only understand that fear and all of its negative consequences dissolves in the face of love and hope, you would see the world’s problems resolved in very rapid time.
My best to everyone.
OK, back to the FOX News series on Israeli spying - these are tremendously important reports, and sadly, they harken back to a time when the media was allowed to ask such questions. It is my belief that FOX News was severely cracked down upon by the administration after 9/11. Here’s the entire series, though I do believe only the first part made it to broadcast:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiAC6FEN15o&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9TIqXg-8LU&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsIRIA-uXGA&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlcEYkVVugo&mode=related&search=
OK John Let\’s try again shall we? Here are the questions I asked and your responses or lack therof. We will take them one at a time so we don\’t get sidetracked.
I asked you:
\”John, can you provide one clear example demonstrating how Britt Hume is a â??propagandistâ?ť and â??shill?â?ť Be specific.\”
You failed to demonstrate a pattern of deceit or deception and bias that we routinely observed from the \”main stream\” elite media (Brokaw, Rather, Jennings, Cronkite, et al. for years) The burden of proof is on you to make a compelling case that Hume has any relationship to the White House and is in any way disseminating propoganda. Perhaps you can elucidate us all by defining exactly what you mean when you use the term \”propoganda?\”
I asked you:
\”John, Can you please explain how Israelâ??s â??bombingâ?ť of military targets Hezbollah was embedding themselves in was â??excesive?â?ť How was it â??excessive?â?ť What specfic military targets should they not have bombed? How about Hezbollah the terrorist organization that intentionally fired katayushas at Israelâ??s civilian population? Anything â??excessiveâ?ť about that John? Can you name even one War Crime comitted by Israel? I can name at least 5 committed by Hezbollah, Iran and Syrian. Can you name one committed by Israel. Be specific and cite your source.\”
You responded:
\”Look at pictures of Beirut, understand that Lebanese civilians have died, and then try to tell me that excessive force wasnâ??t used. Of course, Hezbollahâ??s actions were excessive as well. Innocent lives on both sides have been destroyed, and war crimes have been committed by both sides, Gregg. Qana and the UN post - there are your two examples…\”
John, first of all the \”pictures\” to which you refer were \”doctored\” or did you not read about that Reuter\’s story yet?
To you first point, you have not clearly explained how israel\’s response to Hezbollah\’s initial act of war was \”excessive.\” In fact, Israel did not commit one war crime as you claim it did in Qana and the UN. As I stated previously it is clear that Hezbollah, by contrast, along with Iran and Syria have. In Qana, Israel fired toward a building to stop Hezbollah from shooting rockets into its cities. The aircrafts did not intentionally target civilians, but Hezbollah rockets were intentionally targeted at civilians- a clear war crime under Geneva Convention Protocol 1, under the International Crimminal court Statute, and customary international law. It was Hezbollah John, not Israel, who is directly responsible for the innocent Lebanese who died because Hezbollah intentionally embedded themselves among civilian populations using civilians, in essence, as human shields- a clear war crime. Furthermrore John, Israel warned civilians to leave Qana and Israli\’s official investigation concluded that they attacked based on info that there were no civillians inside. The law of war recognizes that mistakes are inevitable and does not crimminalize soldiers who seek in good faith seek to avoid them- which Israel did. Can you name one other contry who warns civilains prior to using military force? Has Hezbollah? No, in fact they intentionally target innocent men, women, and children.
Israel has every right to defend herself against Hezbollah when the leader of Hezbollah Hassan Nasrallah said \”our motto is Death to Israel.\” and has called for its total annhilation. Israel\’s defense of its own coutry from terrorist attacks of 10,000 katayushas being fried indiscriminately among cilvilian populations and seeking to enforce UN security Res 1559 to disarm Hezbollah was perfectly within Israel\’s right of self-defense.
Proportional, appropriate, and legal under international law. International law favors israel. So don\’t give me this \”innocent people on both sides died\” crap. It\’s a straw man argument and is superficially nonsensical John.
Now, let\’s list all of the War Crimes committed by Hezbollah and Iran.
Violation #1. Hezbollah\’s and Iran\’s persistent calls for the destruction of Israel violates the international genocidal treaty\’s \”prohibition of direct and public incitement to commit genocide.\”
Violation #2. Iran who directly finances Hezbollah, is developing a nuclear arsenal to obliterate Israel, violates the Nuclear nonproliferation Treaty.
Violation #3. Iranian and Syrain support for Hezbollah vilates UN security res 1373 which requires staes to \”refrain from providing any form of support, active or passive, to entities and persons involved in terrorist acts.\”
Violation #4. Hezbollah began the armed conflict with rocket attacks on Israeli small towns and the abduction of Israili soldiers which is an unprovoked act of war violating an internatinally recognized border.
Now John, those are war crimes committed by Hezbollah and their allies/sponsors (Iran and Syria) I will ask you again to cite one specific war crime committed by Israel with your specific source as I have clearly cited.
Finally, you state: \”Do I agree with Jimmy Carterâ??s assessment of Arafat? No.\”
Really, what exactly do you disagree with when he said that Arafat was â??a powerful human symbol and forceful advocateâ?ť Advocate of what John?
Also, Jimmy Carter has been an \”advocate\” for human rights? Would you like to provide some examples? How does his cozy relationship with Castro and Chavez and his past cozy relationship to Araffat and other murderous dictators make him an advocate for \”human rights\” given the fact that these three men are among the worst violaters of Human Rights in the world?
As to your last comment:
Letâ??s simply agree to disagree at this point. My information on what you call conspiracy theories has been obtained through, how should I put this, more â??evolvedâ?ť sources. But I keep this very private, so that is the last I am willing to discuss of it.
Nice try John. OK we will just have to trust you on this one. But you remember to let us know when even one of your kooky conspiracy theories occurs. Not one has yet, but you keep us apprised.
One final remark.
You said: \”Listen, Gregg, Iâ??ll say it again. Youâ??re too Listen, Gregg, Iâ??ll say it again. Youâ??re too emotionally, reputationally and financially (congrats by the way on the success of your book) invested in conservatism and this administration to have an objective viewpoint, and thatâ??s fine. I donâ??t mean this as an insult at all. Itâ??s just the reality.
For the record John, the only thing I am \”emotionally, reputationally and financially invested in\” is the truth which you are constantly trying to obfuscate. That\’s all I care about John.
Looking forward to your specific and direct answers to the specific questions I have posed to you John.
Gregg
John, read Greggs last post and think deep and hard about the truth. Truth is like a bullet it has not friends and no enemies but it has a job to do, and it does that job. Truth exposes error and falshoods and misnomers.Truth exposes lies. “Buy the truth and sell it not” Take a deep look into your heart John, you have been poisioned by medias lies and deception. John the only thing that will set you free is the Truth. You have to face up to the fact that you are wrong before you will ever get any help. Gregg has told the truth and exposed the lies that you expouse. Gregg gives facts that cannot be argued with. Gregg has given you light that will make the darkness flee. John I feel sorry for you because you have been deceived and it is my hope that you will take a serious look at the Truth and start faceing facts and reality. If you so this it will change your life. But if you keep on defending lies and falshoods then you will stay disillusioned believing anything but the Truth. and Jesus said Ye are of your father the devil who was a liar from the beginning. Just like father like son. “Jesus said I am the way,” Not a way or 1 of 100 ways but the only way. Jesus said ” I am the truth” Truth is of the Lord. Lies rumors deceptions are all of satan. May the Lord open your eyes John. Signed with all sincereity and gravity Forrest
John, I really enjoyed reading your post this time. While there was a teency bit of sarcasm (?) in your answers, you did try to answer some questions. You also changed your tone when you answered. I really enjoyed that. I do disagree with you, but it is much easier to understand and read you when reply now. Thank you very much!
Gregg, what a great job you are doing providing facts and pointing out the specifics. It is much easier to follow. You are doing such a grand job.
Forrest, we need to talk. Unless you have a person sitting with you whom you have known for a while, don’t you ever talk to them like that again.
Is what you said true? I believe so. Do you really believe that message is going to get any further into his heart than a nail being forced into his hands? NO! As a matter of fact, he may just reject Jesus because of such talk. This is not good!
I understand your frustration. I understand your need to share with others. Please understand that there are good ways and bad ways of reaching out to people. Please go to this site: Stand to Reason (http://www.str.org/site/PageServer).
If I have hurt feelings, I am sorry. I hope you understand that, coming from one believer to another, how this other person might have felt? God bless you, Forrest. You’re a good man. Just cool it. lol.
Oops. The link didn’t link. Hmm. Try this: Stand to Reason. This is a very good site. I know you will enjoy it, Forrest.
Rosemary, thank you for the constuctive critisism. I take it with a grain of salt especially when you dont practice what you preach. You havent knowm me for a while and you are adking me to do something that you yourself are unwilling to do. You are being a hypocrite when you tell someone what to do then in the next sentence you do it yourself for instence.”unless you have a person sittin with you who youve know for a while dont you ever talk to them like that again” You dont know me! I stand by what I have said to John because I have been reading his posts for few weeks now. I do appreciate the way that you defend the truth though. God bless Forrest
I appreciate all responses to my posts. We all have tremendously varied opinions and beliefs, and it is probably best that we simply leave it at that.
Rosemary, i am sorry about what I said to you. I am too quick to shoot sometimes. The stand for reason website is an informative sight that I have been looking at for a couple of weeks now I think Gregg showed me that sight. I am sorry if I offened you, I am just off the battlefield and I still have the defensive mentality. sincerely Forrest