Murtha: “(Bush) is not going to go on with this war.”
Likely House majority leader Jack Murtha (Code Pinks’ Boy) had this to say today:
â??They donâ??t want a rubber-stamp Congress,â?ť Murtha said Tuesday night. â??They want a Congress thatâ??s going to stand up.â?ť
As for Bushâ??s future actions in Iraq, Murtha was blunt: â??Heâ??s not going to go on with this war.â?ť
Our friend Matt Margolis had this to say:
You can bet the farm that a Murtha-led congress will cut the funding for our troops and their mission, thus placing them in ever-increasing peril.
It will be Jack Murtha himself, not George Bush, who will turn Iraq into another Vietnam. And the consequences of another Vietnam this time around couldn’t be deadlier.
I could not agree more. That’s a great morale booster for the troops huh? They must feel really confident I am sure.
Unfortunately, Republicans who were elected by large majorities in 2000,2002, and 2004 to advance the conservative agenda on which they campaigned failed to lead instead opting to secure incumbancy via earmark spending and emulating Democrats. “Values voters” (a euphemism for social conservative Christians) and Pocket Book/War on Terror conservatives and independants sent a strong message to Republicans that they had better heed in the 24 short months leading up to the 08′ elections. “Do what you say you’re gonna do or we are not going to vote for you anymore.”
But the reality is that the Democrats are more likely than Republicans to actually follow thru on their campaign promises which in this case has always been “strategic redeplyment” of the troops in Iraq (another euphemism for redeploying the troops strategically back home in the United States of America). The libs now control appropriations and have the authority to cut funding for the troops. And everybody that has studied history (Viet Nam in particular) knows that millions will die in Iraq as a result of de-funding them. The Jihadists will then control Iraq, a significant ammount of the world’s oil supply, and the “central front” in the War on Terror. America will have waived the “white flag” of surrender.
If Americans think that the Jihadist threat will diminish, they are sadly mistaken. Cutting and running will demonstrate that Ameirca lacks the will to win. This will only embolden the throat cutting savages and increase thier recruiting and confidence. They are in this to the end. They have made their intentions unambiguously clear that their goal is to destroy Israel and the United States and Western Civilization in general by imposing Sharia law on the world and establishing a global Caliphate. All who fail to willfully submit to Allah will be killed.
There is only one remedy for the threat we face. And appeasement is not it.
I pray that Americans wake up and realize that we are now the lone defenders of Western Civilization.
Time is running out.
Politics, War On Terror | Gregg | 
November 9, 2006 8:06 pm
There is nothing to fear regarding this so-called “war on terror”. Fear is the whole point of this fabrication. Ignore it.
Speaking of Viet Nam… didn’t the war essentially end when U.S. troops withdrew? Once again, I will not question your ‘loyalty’ or your ‘patriatism’ or your ‘democratic ideals’, but won’t you finally admit that V.Nam was ill concieved, unpopular, and not at all romantic? Why can’t we learn from mistakes? If we value freedom so much, then why don’t we allow others to be free of our occupation, our land mines, or puppet governments?
Iraqi’s, in their own Middle Eastern way, will create order and relative justice from the hell hole that surrounds them now.
Josh, I take it you have never studied Viet Nam as evidenced by your ignorant comment.
To answer your first question: “didnâ??t the war essentially end when U.S. troops withdrew?” It may have “ended” in terms of US Military Prsence, but for the 3 million murdered in the Killing Fields by Pol Pot and the North Veitamese Communists the war didn’t “end.” Our failure to follow through on our commintment to protect the South Vietnamese in the region from the virulent spread of Communism was the result of flag burning radical anti-war anti-American treasonists slime balls like John Kerry and Bill Clinton who dodged the draft and burned the American flag in the streets of London where he didn’t “inhale.” And if we cut and run in Iraq as the Democrat Party wants to do in some form or fashion there would be a similar situation in Iraq with hundreds of thousands if not millions of dead freedom loving Iraqis murdered.
So, no Josh I won’t “admit that V.Nam was ill concieved, unpopular, and not at all romantic.” Defending freedom and fighting totolitarianism whether Communistic, Nazi, or Islamic is always the right thing to do Josh. As the wealthiest and most fortunate country on God’s green earth Josh, it is our duty to help others around the world who live under tyrannical dictaorships especially when they pose a grave and imminent threat to our national security. And if it was “ill-conceived” you can blame Democrat JFK for getting us into Viet Nam and Democrat LBJ for escalating our involvement. It was Republican Nixon who “got us out” only because the anti-war McGovernite crowd and the elite media turned public opinion against the war itself. We should have finished what we started in Viet Nam and should do the same in Iraq right now. One thing I know for sure Josh, you wouldn’t want to be anywhere near Bagdhad or Mosul if the US Marine core left town as Murtha and the rest of the treasonist Defeaticrats have called for. I don’t know quite what you mean by “relative justice” but if we left Iraq precipitously without and effective hand off of power and security to the Iraqi Military Force the only thing “relative” about the “justice” that the average freedom loving Iraqi would receive is a choice between getting their head sawed off or just shot in the head. That’s called Jihadi Justice Josh and I doubt you would want to live under it. So you should educate yourself before advocating that we abandon the Iraqi people and the mission that our brave military men and women are fighting right now to preserve your liberty and freedom here in the greatest country in the history of the world.
Gregg
Leaving Iraq would be the worse mistake that we have ever made. Jihadist worlwide would see it as weakness and be ever more ready to kill in the name of Jihad. If we leave Iraq all the Jihadies will move into Afghanistan along with Bin Laden and his bozos. Bin Laden who has been neutralized will have a new army. They will definatley move to Afghanistan and then after the democrats will was broke there they would come to America and there would not be a safe American embassy in the world. Leaving Iraq at this moment would mean all the Soldiers who gave there lifes would be for nothing. All the soldiers who came back from this conflict wounded who shed there blood would have been for nothing. It would be a disastor to leave now. This could cause a world war because they will take this as weakness and no doubt in my mind they will attack Israel. God help us to finish the job in Iraq and Afghanistan if it takes 20 years. Signed Forrest
Democrats have their own platform..VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE POSTED ON CPUSA..ALMOST WORD FOR WORD. Somehow they FAIL TO REALIZE danger when it is right before their very eyes! Murtha and Pelosi SPOKE TOGETHER NOT THAT LONG AGO ABOUT PULLING THE TROOPS OUT..CHECK IT FOR YOURSELVES! Either leader will be no different…Democrats always HATE to fund War and Security unless it goes to Unions they can garner votes from. Many of the Republicans who lost were Liberals..replaced by Conservative Dems…were the Dems in sheeps clothing or are they REAL? If real, will they be allowed to VOTE?
Mrs. Pelosi doesn’t think we are at war…SHE CALLS IT A “SITUATION”..becuse of that Situation..we are once more imperiled. Because we are hearing comments and congratulations to the Dems from Al Qaeda today..doesn’t mean they didn’t say and believe the SAME thing when Clinton RULED! Clinton amassed numerous attacks against Americans home and abroad…HE DID NOTHING..HE ADDED CONCRETE BARRIERS AND RAN FROM SOMALIA..He bombed Serbians who were fighting Terrorists led and supported by Al Qaeda and no one thinks abut that. Clinton was hoping the Terrorists would LIKE him..well he failed on that PLOY as well.
OUR BRAVE SOLDIERS ARE ATTACKED EVERYDAY, NOT JUST BY TERRORISTS BUT BY THE MURTHA, PELOSI, DURBIN, KERRY AND KENNEDY CROWD! These same anti war people FOUGHT against FDR entering WW2..until WE were attacked. I could hear it now..Hitler didn’t attack us..but lets get him for attacking STalin. The stance was softening against war when Hitler had the Nerve to BREAK THE PEACE TREATY HE MADE WITH STALIN..THEN THE UNIONS DECIDED IT WAS TIME FOR WAR! iF HITLER HAD NOT DONE THAT SO SOON, ENGLAND WOULD HAVE DISAPPEARED AND WE WOULD HAVE BEEN STANDING ALONE..UNLESS THE DEMS DECIDED AS JOE KENNEDY (ted’s daddy) had decided “Hitler” isn’t ALL THAT BAD! That was the Big Mistake that changed the outcome of the second world war..JUST AS TODAY..THE GLORIOUS DEMOCRAT SUPPORTED UN FAILS TO HELP FOLKS IN DARFUR.. They refused to STOP SADAAM and secretly Supported him..they IGNORED Osama and were supporting him and many other Terrorist groups as well and as we all know now..they were making money on the deals!
I envison a world that will Deeply regret our withdrawal from Iraq..all the anti war folks will be crying..we do not like living under sharia law..we can’t have abortions, gay marriage, porno movies, decadence and we are poor..we were forced to move to the farms and grow food..(as Stalin did to those he didn’t want.. around..25 million of them at the least)…
Judging by the odds…1 Billion against the aborted few..we are facing an ever growing enemy we cannot defeat once we CUT AND RUN. There will be no replays and Cities Like San Francisco and States like Massachusetts will be somber places…and a lot of praying to Allah will be seen …I honestly can’t wait to see how Move On . org handles that..
ALWAYS REMEMBER THE old Comments from the Second World War..they came for the Jews and we said nothing, they came for the protestants and we said nothing..now they are coming for the priests and nuns and there is no one to speak for them….later the Gay Leaders within the Hitler Heirarchy were removed as well.. although they were not cremated and tortured like the Jews and Christians..they were EXILED and written off the pages of Hitler’s History!
When you are a useful Idiot..you may be the last to go, BUT ONCE YOUR WORK IS DONE..YOU ARE NOT NEEDED. Sadaam was an example of that..He didn’t care about family, friendship or loyalty..he didn’t care if you worked in his WMD program..He himself would Shoot you ..Do not think for one minute these Terrorists will come up and say..OKay we surrender..terrorists do not Surrender ..they become emboldened..Do not Judge the IRA in Ireland in the same light as Islamic Terrorists..the IRA did great harm and did murder many, but in the end they knew the only way to win was to STOP..that is Western Culture…..TERRORISTS HAVE A HIGHER CAUSE THEN THE IRA AND THEY ARE WORKING FOR ALLAH..
never let that go unremebered!
Mrs. Pelosi has no goals, nor Murtha..their only loyalty is to instill Progressive agendas here..and even by doing that THE TERRORISTS WILL NOT BE STOPPED…THEY WILL BE LAUGHING!
Caron, Muslim terrorism is a conceived threat used to justify foreign aggression and a lockdown of freedoms domestically. It is NOT what it appears. Most of the Muslim terrorists that make headlines are nothing more than patsies and accomplices controlled by Western intelligence. This is very difficult to comprehend, but it is the absolute truth that I GUARANTEE will be revealed to the US populace.
Hey John…perhaps you are that NAIVE but I am not…in June of 1985 I missed by one week the MADE UP CHANCE for myself and my family to be on the HIJACKED AIRPLANE on which several passengers were beaten and one Military man was TORTURED AND KILLED..and then within a week again, right in FRONT OF THE Hotel de Ville in Paris France my friends and I missed the BOMBING that occured there. Had I not wanted that Boat Ride on the SEINE on a UNPLANNED day, my friends, their family and my family, plus others would have been blown up.
When you don your headgear and pray to Allah, perhaps you will Wake up…You must be from the Noam Chomsky school..3,000 dead are but a blip on the radar screen..He lost his credibility when it was revealed he had made his millions from Military Defense Contracts..doubt he will be talking about that!
I have all the freedoms I had BEFORE 9/11..I have neither anything to hide nor anything to FEAR..except people like you..DID YOU THINK THE USS COLE WAS JUST MADE UP BY CLINTON..WAS THE WTC1 JUST MADE UP BY CLINTON..WERE THE EMBASSIES AND MANY OTHER TERRORISTS ATTAACKS MADE UP BY CLINTON?…
Have you not heard during the 90’s the 5 declarations of war pronounced by Osama? Have you not heard of Sadaam’s prououncements to support Terror against the US? or are You a little kid who never saw the NYTimes..worry about these statements? JOHN, HERE IS SOMETHING FOR YOU TO LOOK UP AND PONDER..THE PREVIOUS SYRIAN LEADER (current leader’s father) had a city named Hamas ..not far from the capitol..this entire city was a terrorist controlled city..Syrian government and the people were under attack…threats constantly coming from the Islamic Brotherhood stationed in that syrian City…So to end that TERROR the Great Syrian Leader surrounded the city..let no one escape and bombed, blew it up, killed and mutilated..and then BURIED IT UNDER TONS OF EARTH..THAT IS THE WAY YOU DEFEAT TERRORISTS. 25,000 people DIED and were buried there..in just a few hours..men, women and children, mosques and homes..all diappeared from history…
I suppose Madrid, London, Rome, Germany are all making it up as well…Have you ever gone to France..have you ever noticed the Brown Shirt Security Police all over Paris? Carrying big AK 47’s ..you do not talk to them, you do not LOOK at them…but if a terrorist passes he will be Gone FAST! Italy has WIRETAPPING OF ANY ONE..they do not get a Judge’s permission..It is how they do business.. Of course, you must have forgotten the Van Gogh murder in the Netherlands..or are you saying the Dutch Police did that?
John, I lost two friends on 9/11..I almost faced bombings ..terrorists attaacks with my family and best friends…WHAT do you think happened in MUNICH when the entire Israeli Olympic Team was Murdered by Terrorists
…was Clinton telling another LIE when he claimed UNDER HIS GOVERNMENT HE THWARTED THE Y2K BOMBING PLOT…DID HE MAKE THAT UP TOO!
GET OUT A HISTORY BOOK…Yes, Iran took hostages, Jimmy Carter talked a lot, got nothing in return..Jimmy got mad at Russia for invading Afghanistan..kept the Olympic team home..I GUESS THOSE TERRORISTS WHO TOOK OUR PEOPLE HOSTAGE WERE MADE UP BY CARTER..I guess when Afghanistan threw out the Communist leader they had been given by Russia AND RUSSIA GOT MAD..Jimmy wouldn’t have given a hoot..perhpaps you did though! Yes, we had Sadaam as a friend..as long as he fought Iran..yes we supported the side fighting against Russia..but WE ALSO FOUGHT WITH STALIN, DESPITE HIS MURDER OF 25 MILLION OF HIS OWN PEOPLE IN THE 30′S..WHEN YOU GO TO WAR YOU GO WITH ALLIES..LIKE EM OR NOT.. JUST AS WINSTON CHURCHILL DISLIKED FDR AND STALIN..BRITAIN’S VERY SURVIVAL DEPENDED ON THEM..THUS HE SUCKED IT IN AND WENT ON ABOUT WINNING A WAR AND SAVING HIS COUNTRY AND CULTURE… When the grass turns red with American Blood in your own back yard..again..you will perhaps wake up TOO LATE..EITHER THAT..OR YOU WANT TO SEE THAT..THERE IS NO OTHER EXPLANATION EXCEPT YU HAVE NEVER STUDIED HISTORY, CURRENT OR PAST!
Caron, the events that you reference are real. I have never argued that they are not. I am simply saying that the real actors behind these atrocities are very often hidden from public view and consciousness.
Politics and religion are manmade. We’re evolving beyond these realms.
So, You are claiming that Clinton and his Cohorts caused the terrorist attacks during his time? Who are the REAL ACTORS? You are still missing history…The first Caliphate in the old days..encompassing southern France, Spain etc. were not just RELIGIOUS realms..the Leader of the Gang was also interested in his own Glory..he duped many of his folks, but made a lot of money by SUPER TAXING the unconverted. When Turkey became “free” their leader knew the danger of a Religion that could influence LUNATICS..and part of his constitution contained a mandate that the military would overthrow ANY government that forced the MUSLIM religion on all…Just as we see in Lebanon..the Evolution is not what NORMAL people want. One more assassinated Cabinet minister and the Government cannot rule..the Leaders in Lebanon should have changed that RULE because they should have learned the way the Lunatics and Hezbollah..party of GOD…play the game. The Free Government was naive and expected Fairness and gave fairness ..even to Hezbollah..NAIVE PEOPLE in this day and age face a terrible FATE. The real actors behind the atrocities are easy to see…Lunatic Muslims who want to rule the world. Yes, they use their religion..demean their people and try hard to SCARE folks…but if you read history, even Ghengis Kahn..spread RUMORS before he showed up…thus as his power was stretched he could AVOID fights…when he whoed up NAIVE folks SURRENDERED…of course, when they surrendered..they were massacred..they were not worth keeping around!
No fight in them..not worth having!
Politics is manmade..Religion at this point is not…it is people who USE religion that demean RELIGION..America does not run around the world TAKING OVER AND CONVERING COUNTRIES..if that were the case..JAPAN WOULD BE A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY..IF ENGLAND DID THAT..INDIA WOULD BE A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY..NO THERE ARE COUNTRIES THAT DO NOT USE RELIGION FOR POLITICS…AUSTRALIA, US, AND UK ARE NONE OF THEM…LIKE IT OR NOT..WE ARE NOT SAYING CONVERT OR ELSE! IT IS ONLY WHEN ONE CANNOT HAVE A RELIGION..ONE THAT RESPECTS LIFE AND DECENT LIFESTYLES..THAT THEIR WORLD COLLAPSES.
RELIGION CANNOT BE PUT ON A BACK BURNER OR BLAMED FOR ALL THE BAD THINGS IN THE WORLD..WE HAVE EVOLVED, OF COURSE, CHRISTIANS CANNOT CONVERT THE ENTIRE WORLD..BUT AS TIME WENT BY FROM THE MIDDLE AGES I THINK HISTORY PROVES THAT..INSTEAD, LEADERS WERE TAUGHT HOW TO GOVERN AND WHEN WE LOOK AT COUNTRIES LIKE INDIA AND JAPAN..THE CHRISTIAN WEST RATHER THAN CONVERT THEM..GAVE THEM THE CHANCE TO FINALLY MANAGE THEIR OWN COUNTRY.
YOUR REAL ACTORS ARE SICK PEOPLE WHO WANT NOTHING MORE THAN VENGEANCE..WHO BLAME FOLKS BECAUSE THEY MUST HIDING IN CAVES AND SPIDER HOLES..RELIGION GIVES ONE ORDER IN LIFE AND CREATES A STATE OF THE BRAIN HAVING A CONSCIOUS..PEOPLE WHO LIVE BY THE TEN COMMANDMENTS HAVE A MUCH CLEARER IDEA OF FREEDOM AND DECENCY AND RESPECT FOR OTHERS..
THUS THEY SUCCEED IN ENDEAVOURS WHERE LUNATICS CANNOT!
Bush and Clinton before him were never the architects of the attacks that have been ascribed to McVeigh, “Al Qaeda”, and other assorted scapegoats. The situation is much more complex and complicated. Bush, Clinton and nearly all government leaders are mere actors in this long-running conspiracy against humanity. The real perpetrators, the ones who control the world’s money, religions, media, etc., are not well known to the public. Some of the primary power centers are in the City of London, Wall Street, and the Vatican. It is from these origins that the entire “war on terror” was concocted.
The “war on terror” was always meant to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. 9/11, as will be learned, was a staged event with Muslim operatives and patsies playing the role of “Al Qaeda” terrorists. The real perpetrators were shadow agents of the CIA/MI6/Mossad, who in turn took their operational orders from the power brokers. The media, it should be noted, is part of this conspiracy as they are controlled by these brokers. The whole liberal bias (NBC, ABC, CBS, NYT) vs. conservative bias (FOX, WSJ) charade is a mere diversion from the actual fact that all mainstream media serves the state and its controllers to one degree or another and not the public. Yes, the “liberal” outlets may favor Democrats while the “conservative” outlets favor Republicans, but this is largely irrelevant to the big picture.
Chaos and control are the dual purposes of the “war on terror”. Many things done and said by our government and other governments which inflamed the Muslim world (i.e. Bush and his “crusade”, Afghanistan and Iraq, the cartoon controversy, the Paris riots, the Pope’s criticisms) were likely done and said ON PURPOSE. The “war on terror” has disenfranchised many Muslims ON PURPOSE and has multiplied the number of terrorists who would kill Americans/Westerners. The idea was to create an eternal threat to the safety and even existence of the Western population, a threat mostly concocted and theorized but one that would also evolve into a real phenomenon to a certain degree. With this eternal threat, we the people would allow intrusions into our basic freedoms and privacy which would further allow us to be more easily controlled. This is happening, though too few Americans are noticing it. Pentagon plans call for the building of concentration camps for the mass detainment of our fellow Americans who are regarded as a danger to the government. This will never happen, rest assured, though it is planned. The idea is to allow fascism to creep up on us so that we cannot mobilize and react (i.e. that’s why we so often hear “my freedoms aren’t being affected” at the same time habeas corpus is dismantled by the Military Commissions Act and Newt Gingrich says freedom of speech should be curtailed).
Everything is being corrected however.