Kwanzaa Does Not Teach Positive Values!
I hope that this post is my last of the year on the “holiday” known as Kwanzaa. My earlier post generated some significant discussion and one of the comments from a friend of this blog suggested that even though Kwanzaa was concocted by a Marxist crimminal that it still celebrated some positive values. This assertion however is 100% false. Those “positive values” may have been “positive” under many totolitarian dictatorships but not here in the United States of America.
Pundit Review’s friend Ann Coulter nails it in today’s Human Events:
Kwanzaa itself is a lunatic blend of schmaltzy ’60s rhetoric, black racism and Marxism. Indeed, the seven “principles” of Kwanzaa praise collectivism in every possible arena of life — economics, work, personality, even litter removal. (”Kuumba: Everyone should strive to improve the community and make it more beautiful.”) It takes a village to raise a police snitch.
When Karenga was asked to distinguish Kawaida, the philosophy underlying Kwanzaa, from “classical Marxism,” he essentially explained that under Kawaida, we also hate whites. While taking the “best of early Chinese and Cuban socialism” — which one assumes would exclude the forced abortions, imprisonment for homosexuals and forced labor — Kawaida practitioners believe one’s racial identity “determines life conditions, life chances and self-understanding.” There’s an inclusive philosophy for you.
Coincidentally, the seven principles of Kwanzaa are the very same seven principles of the Symbionese Liberation Army, another charming invention of the Least-Great Generation. In 1974, Patricia Hearst, kidnap victim-cum-SLA revolutionary, posed next to the banner of her alleged captors, a seven-headed cobra. Each snake head stood for one of the SLA’s revolutionary principles: Umoja, Kujichagulia, Ujima, Ujamaa, Nia, Kuumba and Imani — the same seven “principles” of Kwanzaa…Kwanzaa was the result of a ’60s psychosis grafted onto the black community. Liberals have become so mesmerized by multicultural nonsense that they have forgotten the real history of Kwanzaa and Karenga’s United Slaves — the violence, the Marxism, the insanity. Most absurdly, for leftists anyway, is that they have forgotten the FBI’s tacit encouragement of this murderous black nationalist cult founded by the father of Kwanzaa.
Now the “holiday” concocted by an FBI dupe is honored in a presidential proclamation and public schools across the nation. The only principle Kwanzaa promotes is liberals’ unbounded capacity to respect any faith but Christianity.
A movement that started approximately 2,000 years before Kwanzaa leaps well beyond collectivism and litter removal to proclaim that we are all equal before God. “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28). It was practitioners of that faith who were at the forefront of the abolitionist and civil rights movements. But that’s all been washed down the memory hole, along with the true origins of Kwanzaa.
December 28th, 2006 at 10:47 am
It is a testament to the dominance of political correctness in America that Kwanzaa has become so popular in the first place!
December 28th, 2006 at 11:22 am
7 principals of Kwanzaa (just in case someone doesn’t want to totally believe the bible of Coulter):
1) To strive for and maintain unity in the family, community, nation, race. (Wow, terrible morals here. Now you can look at the race part as a negative or a positive. I take great pride in my French descent. I like keeping French and Canadian traditions. I guess I am evil)
2) To define ourselves, name ourselves, create for ourselves and speak for ourselves instead of being defined, named, created for and spoken for by others. (Seems sort of nice)
3) To build and maintain our community together and make our sisters’ and brothers’ problems our problems and solve them together. (Get the community to look out for each other. Wow, that is just terrible. There out to be a law.)
4)To build and maintain our own stores and other businesses and to profit from them together. (Not a big fan of this one. Sounds exclusionary and not very smart. But not exactly evil)
5) To make our collective vocation the building and developing of our community in order to restore our people to their traditional greatness. (Seems pretty noble, since much of African American populations are in the lower economic classes.)
6) To do always as much as we can, in the way we can, in order to leave our community more beautiful and beneficial than we inherited it. (Good Lord, someone alert the FBI. Kwanzaa is trying to clean)
7)To believe with all our people, our parents, our teachers, our leaders and the righteousness and victory of our struggle. (Probably meant something to the Black Panthers. My guess is that it now is sort of ambiguous to most people. Martin Luther King was part of a struggle. I think of it that way.)
You are not going to change the fact that Kwanzaa is part of our culture now. Deal with it, and don’t be so negative and afraid all the time. You forgave a coke-fiend and several drunk drivers (as did I). Maybe Karenga deserves the same consideration.
And it is disappointing you did not address the racist remarks from your last post. Silence in the face of racism is wrong, and says a lot.
December 28th, 2006 at 1:16 pm
Looks like the War on Kwanzaa is on! Where’s Bill O’Reilly when you need him?
If we want to get racist, let’s just refer to Ms. Coulter’s act as a Right-Wing Minstrel Show.
Sheesh, of all the things to be obsessed with… kinda makes me wish you’d attack gay marriage again
December 28th, 2006 at 7:06 pm
A “coke fiend? Optimist” If you are refering to Bush. Can you substantiate your claim he was a “coke fiend?” U may be mistaking him with Clinton who was definately no stranger to coke aaccording to his brother who said he had a “nose like a fire hose.” Thst is a rather large accusation you made about Bush however. How much “coke” did he do? Can you substantiate that claim with proof? Or are you just throwing more excrement against the wall as you are often prone to doing? Looks like Coulter’s remarks regarding the synthetic multiculturalist “holiday’ of Qwanzaa has really struck a nerve with you. Still don’t understand why you don’t celebrate it given all the postive elements of it you list. At any rate, we will have Ann on soon and you can call in and debate it with her. Until then take a deep breath. Qwanzaa will be a thing of the past soon as all rediculous fake observances are. And you will ahve to “deal” with that. Happy New Year Optimist! And thanks for your thoughtful comments this past year. Looking forward to more spirited debate in 07′. Will this be the year you start your own blog?
Gregg
December 29th, 2006 at 8:39 am
O yeah, Bush doing cocaine is something I just made up. No one has reported on that one before. And I am sure Clinton dabbled in cocaine. Again, as long as he cleaned up his act I can forget about it. But that is sort of besides the point. Bush was a drunk and was arrested for DUI. I hope you have forgiven him for that.
And do you know what hit a nerve? Not Kwanzaaa. Sure it puzzles me that you seem to care so much for such a non-issue. It is my complete ability to understand why you are so petrified of it.
You used Coulter as an example, and I actually found the 7 points of Kwanzaa. I would love to hear from you exactly why those points are black militarist and don’t contain anything even vaguely promising. Or as usual, are you going to ignore any points that clash with your views? You have a tendency to stop participating in discussions whenever it gets factual.
And again, I am very disappointed in you not saying something about the racists backing up your point. If you can’t see what those comments were, and don’t say something, then I think I finally understand your point of view.
And by the way, I vote republican. I just don’t have to see things in black and white to be considered a good soldier.
A final thought:
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
- Pastor Martin Niemöller
Happy New Year
December 29th, 2006 at 7:21 pm
Optimist. Why should I care who you vote for? How is that even relevant to my post? Also, how is Bush’s supposed cocaine use relevant? And if you want to make it relevant you should be able to substantiate FACTUALLY when Bush ever did Cocaine. But you can’t. So dont talk to me about FACTS. You are talking about the Commander and Chief and should be prepared to back up your allegations with facts. But he didn’t make up a “holiday” and is not pertinent to the discussion.
My only point is that Kwanzaa is a farcical “holiday” that was made up by a radical militant anti-American marxist that is basically a celebration of Communism as described by Coulter As Coulter says: “Coincidentally, the seven principles of Kwanzaa are the very same seven principles of the Symbionese Liberation Army, another charming invention of the Least-Great Generation.” And I think it is relevant and important to make the point that I don’t think we as Americans should celebrate it.
As for your comment regarding my not “saying something about racist commnets” on our blog I don’t know what you are referring to. And I will assume you don’t either since you failed to provide me with the comments to which you refer. I don’t have the time to read all the posts on this blog. IF there was a racist comment why didn’t you say something adn blog about it?
And I am a Jew who had members of my family die in the Holocaust so don’t give me that crap about not “speaking up” when they came for the Jews etc…
And if memory serves me correctly Optimist there were many French who didn’t “speak up” when they came for the Jews. In fact many French conspired with the Nazis and turned Jews over to them on their way to the ovens…
Gregg
December 29th, 2006 at 8:38 pm
Optimist, One last comment. I know you can google Qwanzaa and cut and paste the “7 principles of Qwanzaa” Optimist but I would suggest that before condoning and defending this “holiday” you dig a little deeper and really do your homework prior to criticizing those not as enlightened as you. Speaking of facts, I wonder how Karenga’s victims feel about him today? Do you think they have “forgiven” him? Here is how the founder of the phony anti-American, anti-white, marxist, black separatist “celebration” of Qwanzaa lived out his “7 principles”:
On May 9, 1970 he initiated the torture session that led to his imprisonment. Karenga himself will not comment on that incident and the victims cannot be located, so the sole remaining account is in the brief passage from the L.A. Times describing tortures inflicted by Karenga and his fellow defendants, Louis Smith and Luz Maria Tamayo:
“The victims said they were living at Karenga’s home when Karenga accused them of trying to kill him by placing ‘crystals’ in his food and water and in various areas of his house. When they denied it, allegedly they were beaten with an electrical cord and a hot soldering iron was put in Miss Davis’ mouth and against her face. Police were told that one of Miss Jones’ toes was placed in a small vise which then allegedly was tightened by one of the defendants. The following day Karenga allegedly told the women that ‘Vietnamese torture is nothing compared to what I know.’ Miss Tamayo reportedly put detergent in their mouths, Smith turned a water hose full force on their faces, and Karenga, holding a gun, threatened to shoot both of them.”
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5251
So I ask you Optimist, can you see how somebody like myself may have an issue with a contrived “holiday” that celebrates black separatism, anti-Americanism, Communism, anti-Judeo Christianity, and was founded by a crimminal who violently assaulted, tortured, and killed people? While I am all for “diversity” I am not for “holidays” like Qwanzaa especially when they promote racism. Can you imagine a “white holiday” that encouraged its adherents to segregate themselves from other minorities? If a white person advocated that you would call him a racist. I know you abhor racism, so I would assume that you would oppose Qwanzaa. My “2 cents.” Take care and have a great 07′.
Gregg
December 30th, 2006 at 4:45 pm
From the previous Kwanzaa post (by the way, I brought these points up several times in the post. You failed to answer. And until you do, I will continue to remind you that you should say something. Or did you not notice them because they backed up your points?)
“- third comment: ??Unfortunately the general stupidity of African-Americans, coupled with white guilt, allows this bogus ??celebration?? to continue in this country unchecked?
- 14th post: ??Isn??t it funny that here is yet another bit of proof that the only way blacks seem to be able to ??build? each other up is to lie to one another, the first and biggest that bullshi crap about caling each other ??African American?! Oh yeah, let??s ALL respect a race like that! You can coat a dog turd in hollandaise sauce, but it sure as hell ain??t gonna taste like Beef Wellington!!!?
Comment by The Optimist ?? December 29, 2006 @ 1:29 pm
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And let me get this straight.
1) You bring up Bill Clinton as my hero, I say I vote republican (thereby trashing your previous silly remark) and then you question why I mention who I vote for. Gotcha.
2) Bill Clinton was a former commander in chief, and you felt fine throwing out that he was a coke head. But mentioning the rumors that Bush was one as well (which is fine by me, since he cleaned up his act) makes me a jerk. Gotcha. My hypocrisy meter is going into overload. And I tried to make the point pertinent by saying that if you can forgive one person for his crimes, you should forgive Karenga if he has done his time and reformed.
3) Bush was arrested for drunk driving, a frequently lethal crime and all around stupid act. He can be forgiven for his crimes. Karenga, who obviously did a much worse act but who has seemlingly become a reformed member of society, cannot. Gotcha. Things are starting to become clear.
4) First off, I am sorry about your family in the Holocaust. Though your statement puzzles me. As a Jewish person, are you saying you are held to a lower standard than others when you don’t address blatent racism in front of you in a forum you control? O, and my uncle is buried in Normandy. He died storming Fort Driant in France. German bullets killed a lot of people. I consider it an honor to my uncle to call out racists and bigots when I see them. And if you question my thoughts on this, ask Kevin about how serious I am about this. If someone made an anti-semitic crack in front of me, I would punch him in the face. Bigots are scum and lumping a whole race together is done by the lowest forms of human. You should denounce it, because you obviously read my comments word for word and didn’t bother to care.
And that quote was not just about the Jews in Germany. It was about the silence while every group was attacked. You should read more of his sermons. They are quite interesting.
5) (Kevin, I am sure you are about to smile) Now, do you really want to get into a discussion over French involvement in World War II. We can go in a number of different directions with that one. The Maquis. The thousands and thousands of Frenchmen who died defeating Hitler. Or how about the Jewish police used in the camps and ghettos? Or how about the fact that the US knew where the camps were and never bombed them (there were real reasons for that, in case anyone cares to know). Or how about US ships coming back empty handed from Europe at the start of the war and not giving asylum to the thousands of Jews trying to get out of Europe. Or get your hands on the book “The Nazi Doctors” and learn where a lot of German euthanisia legislation and thoughts came from. The truth is every group had people who didn’t do the right thing. I would really like to debate you on this, but my guess is your knowledge of World War II doesn’t go beyond what Michelle Malken or Ann Coulter say after reading a couple of questions in trivial pursuit. But feel free to keep up your French WWII bashing. It has been a while since I educated an opponent on the realities of World War II.
Ya know what, I don’t care about where Kwanzaa came from. It is a harmless holiday now. Plenty of good things come from bad beginnings (hey, the Puritans in Salem kept hanging young women as witches for farting in church and you seem to think very highly of them.) And I am proud of my Catholic Church even though some horrible things came from it. Understand the past, but take what is happening now as what you should judge something on.
If Kwanzaa brings families together, great. I am huge fan of that. Your fear of it baffles me.
January 1st, 2007 at 10:23 am
Optimist, you still have not answered my main question asked previously:
“So I ask you Optimist, can you see how somebody like myself may have an issue with a contrived ??holiday? that celebrates black separatism, anti-Americanism, Communism, anti-Judeo Christianity, and was founded by a crimminal who violently assaulted, tortured, and killed people? While I am all for ??diversity? I am not for ??holidays? like Qwanzaa especially when they promote racism. Can you imagine a ??white holiday? that encouraged its adherents to segregate themselves from other minorities? If a white person advocated that you would call him a racist. I know you abhor racism, so I would assume that you would oppose Qwanzaa.”
You intentionally attempt to side track the discussion onto Bush’s DUI and Franch military history etc…but fail to answer directly the main point I made about why I oppose Kwanzaa in the first place. It’s not that I “fear” it. I don’t “fear” anything or anybody except God and my personal Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The original purpose of my post was to demonstrate the absurd nature of the made up “holiday” by a convicted crimminal that admits today that it was contrived. Furthermore I pointed out that what it “celebrates” is not positive in that it promotes something “positive” for Americans to “celebrate.” So enough with the “gothas” (kind of puerile I’d say). Answer my main question:
One more time:
So I ask you Optimist, can you see how somebody like myself may have an issue with a contrived ??holiday? that celebrates black separatism, anti-Americanism, Communism, anti-Judeo Christianity, and was founded by a crimminal who violently assaulted, tortured, and killed people? While I am all for ??diversity? I am not for ??holidays? like Qwanzaa especially when they promote racism. Can you imagine a ??white holiday? that encouraged its adherents to segregate themselves from other minorities? If a white person advocated that you would call him a racist. I know you abhor racism, so I would assume that you would oppose Qwanzaa. Am I correct?
Gregg
P.S. You still didn’t answer my question as to why you failed to condemn the “racists’ comments of one of the bloggers who you quoted- whose post I’d not even seen until you pointed it out. You contradict yourself by demanding that others not be “silent” when you yourself didn’t utter a word. Hmmmmmmmm…A tad hypocritical I’d say.
Gregg
January 2nd, 2007 at 2:00 pm
Yes, I can see how someone like yourself would have a problem with Kwanzaa. And no, I would not call someone holding a white holiday a racist. Where did you get that flawed nugget from? I am all for pride in where you came from. Vive la France.
As for racism, this is yours and kevin’s forum, so I thought it would be better for you to officially stop it. Your readers and I respect Kevin too much to insert myself it your editorial contol. But since you don’t want to and have still not said a word about it, I’ll handle it.
“Hey, you two knucklehead racists, knock it off with that crap. I am sure the Klan has its own blogs, so go hang out there. I bet you would never open your mouth if you weren’t hiding behind the Internet. So shut it.”
Thanks for the help on this. I think I understand your point of view much better now.
January 3rd, 2007 at 9:39 am
Terry,
I think we have finally come to a conclusion on where you stand with regard to racism and will be the final word on this topic.
You say: \”And no, I would not call someone holding a white holiday a racist.\”
What more needs to be said? You have no problem with a holiday only for \”white\” people? And what the hell does \”Vive la France\” mean? Is that a celebration for white people? Why are you condemning racist bloggers on this site when you yourself have no problem with celebrations for whites only? Tad hypocritical wouldn\’t you say?
At any rate, I think it has become clear from our discussion on Kwanzaa that you have no problem with separatist celebrations in America that are fundamentally racist, anti-American,and Communistic,that are contrived by convicted fMarxist felons in prison(By the way Karenga has never apologized to his victims for torturing and abusing them sexually). While I support the \”right\” of anybody who chooses to \”celebrate\” these ideals and beliefs in this free country of ours, I choose to use my bully pulpit (blog, radio show, books, etc…) to emphatically voice my opposition to it. So I don\’t have to \”deal with it\” as you instruct me to do. The great thing about this country is that we are free not to have to \”deal\” with things we don\’t agree with. And now with the blogosphere, others can join the debate, observe the discussion and draw their own conclusions with regard to who stands for what.
And again, I am far too busy to monitor all comments on our site. They are all sent to Kevin first and if there is anything truly offensive it removed. But we try to censor as little as possible so that visitors to our blog can rebut absurd statements as you have done. Thanks for finally reproving that racist blogger!
Gregg
January 3rd, 2007 at 11:54 am
Wow, you certainly do make leaps of logic.
Pride in one’s race and background is not racism. That logic means that Scottish festivals are basically KKK rallies according to you. Although kilts and white robes do share some similarities. Hmmmmm, do you think Scots celebrate Kwanzaa too? I see a new blog topic here. And don’t get me started on St Patrick’s day.
If African Americans want to have pride in their past, great. If Franco Americans want to have pride in their past, great. July 4th is a celebration of America. A celebration honoring European white achievements is great. Nothing exclusionary about that. Take pride in where you came from. I am sure if I wanted to celeate Kwanzaa, the Kwanzaa committee wouldn’t keep me away.
Racism isn’t about pride in your race or history.
And Vive La France means I take pride in my french background. Seemed pretty obvious in the context of my post.
January 6th, 2007 at 2:54 pm
Terry,
You still have not answered the question that I posed numerous times:
“So I ask you, can you see how somebody like myself may have an issue with a contrived ??holiday? that celebrates black separatism, anti-Americanism, Communism, anti-Judeo Christianity, and was founded by a crimminal who violently assaulted, tortured, and killed people? While I am all for ??diversity? I am not for ??holidays? like Qwanzaa especially when they promote racism. Can you imagine a ??white holiday? that encouraged its adherents to segregate themselves from other minorities? If a white person advocated that you would call him a racist. I know you abhor racism, so I would assume that you would oppose Qwanzaa. Am I correct?”
I will assume that you can’t answer that question and we can now move on to other issues.
Thanks,
Gregg